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=== Σενάριο ===
{{Quote box|quote=It was a yearlong process from when we finished the script just to get the new people on board with this vision, because I pitched it to an entirely different team than made it. There were emails about: 'You realize we sell Joker pajamas at [[Target Corporation|Target]].' There were a zillion hurdles, and you just sort of had to navigate those one at a time.... At the time, I would curse them in my head every day. But then I have to put it in perspective and go, 'They're pretty bold that they did this.'|source=– Todd Phillips<ref name="LAT: Stakes" />|width=30em|quoted=1}}
Ο Φίλιπς και ο Σίλβερ έγραψαν το σενάριο το 2017 και η διαδικασία γραφής χρειάστηκε περίπου ένα χρόνο.<ref name="Deadline: Creating">{{Cite web|url=https://deadline.com/2019/08/joker-joaquin-phoenix-todd-phillips-venice-film-festival-press-conference-1202708685/|title='Joker's Joaquin Phoenix & Todd Phillips On Creating DC Character Study & Finding That Laugh&nbsp;– Venice|last=Tartaglione|first=Nancy|date=August 31, 2019|website=[[Deadline Hollywood]]|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190901184255/https://deadline.com/2019/08/joker-joaquin-phoenix-todd-phillips-venice-film-festival-press-conference-1202708685/|archive-date=September 1, 2019|access-date=September 2, 2019|url-status=live}}</ref> Σύμφωνα με την παραγωγό Έμμα Τίλινγκερ Κόσκοφ χρειάστηκε αρκετός χρόνος για να εγκριθεί το σενάριο από την Warner Bros., λόγω ανησυχιών για το περιεχόμενο του. Παρομοίως, ο Φίλιπς σχολίασε ότι υπήρχαν "αμέτρητα εμπόδια" κατά τη διάρκεια της μακρόχρονης διαδικασίας γραφής του σεναρίου, εξαιτίας της οραματικότητάς που είχα για τον χαρακτήρα.<ref name="LAT: Stakes" /> Είπε επίσης, ότι ενώ τα θέματα του σεναρίου μπορεί να αντικατοπτρίζουν τη σύγχρονη κοινωνία, η ταινία δεν προοριζόταν να είναι πολιτική.<ref name="Deadline: Creating" /> Αν και ο Joker είχε εμφανιστεί σε αρκετές ταινίες πριν, ο Φίλιπς σκέφτηκε ότι ήταν δυνατό να δημιουργήσει μια νέα ιστορία που χαρακτηρίζει τον χαρακτήρα. ''«είναι μια διαφορετική ερμηνεία, όπως γίνεται και με το [[Μάκβεθ]]»'', δήλωσε στους ''[[The New York Times]]''.<ref name="NYT: Wild" />
 
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=== Προ-παραγωγή ===
Μετά τις απογοητευτικές κριτικές και οικονομικές επιδόσεις της ταινίας ''Justice League'' (2017), τον Ιανουάριο του 2018 ο Ουόλτερ Χαμάντα αντικατέστησε τον Τζον Μπεργκ ως επικεφαλής της παραγωγής ταινιών DC στη Warner Bros.<ref>{{Cite web |url=https://variety.com/2018/film/news/warner-bros-taps-walter-hamada-to-oversee-dc-films-production-exclusive-1202652878/ |title=Warner Bros. Taps Walter Hamada to Oversee DC Films Production (EXCLUSIVE) |last=Lang |first=Brent |date=January 4, 2018 |website=Variety |language=en-US |access-date=September 29, 2018 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180612143733/https://variety.com/2018/film/news/warner-bros-taps-walter-hamada-to-oversee-dc-films-production-exclusive-1202652878/ |archive-date=June 12, 2018 |url-status=live }}</ref> Ο Χαμάντα έλεγξε τις ταινίες DC που βρίσκονταν σε εξέλιξη, καταργώντας ορισμένες και συνεχίζοντας την δουλειά με κάποιες άλλες. Τα γυρίσματα του ''Joker'' κανονίστηκε να ξεκινήσουν στα τέλη του 2018 με προϋπολογισμό 55 εκατομμυρίων δολαρίων.<ref name="DCStrategy">{{Cite news |url=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/joker-batman-suicide-squad-movie-plans-making-sense-dcs-moves-1119489 |title=Warner Bros. Shifts DC Strategy Amid Executive Change-Up |last=Kit |first=Borys |date=June 13, 2018 |work=[[The Hollywood Reporter]] |access-date=June 15, 2018 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180613234324/https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/joker-batman-suicide-squad-movie-plans-making-sense-dcs-moves-1119489 |archive-date=June 13, 2018 |url-status=live }}</ref> Η Μάστερς ανέφερε ότι η Warner Bros. ήταν απρόθυμη να αφήσει το φιλμ να προχωρήσει, και έδωσε ένα μικρό ποσό για την παραγωγή, σε προσπάθεια να αποτρέψει τον Φίλιπς να συνεχίσει.<ref name="THR: Stop"/> Μέχρι τον Ιούνιο, ο Ρόμπερτ ντε Νίρο εξεταζόταν για τον ρόλο του στην ταινία.<ref>{{Cite news |url=https://screenrant.com/joker-movie-robert-de-niro-character-descriptions/ |title=Joker Origin Film Reportedly Wants Robert De Niro For Supporting Role |last=Erao |first=Matthew |date=June 18, 2018 |access-date=July 18, 2018 |website=[[Screen Rant]] |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180728011212/https://screenrant.com/joker-movie-robert-de-niro-character-descriptions/ |archive-date=July 28, 2018 |url-status=live }}</ref> Η συμφωνία με το Φίνιξ ολοκληρώθηκε τον Ιούλιο του 2018,<ref name="VarietyGL">{{Cite web |url=https://variety.com/2018/film/news/joaquin-phoenix-todd-phillips-joker-1202869963/ |title=Joaquin Phoenix's 'Joker' Movie Gets the Greenlight, Will Shoot in the Fall |last=Kroll |first=Justin |date=July 10, 2018 |website=[[Variety (magazine)|Variety]] |access-date=September 18, 2018 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180919061753/https://variety.com/2018/film/news/joaquin-phoenix-todd-phillips-joker-1202869963/ |archive-date=September 19, 2018 |url-status=live }}</ref> μετά από τέσσερις μήνες πειθούς από τον Φίλιπς.<ref name="LAT: Stakes" /> Αμέσως μετά, η Warner Bros. έδωσε επίσημα το πράσινο φως στην ταινία, ονομάζοντάς την ''Joker'' και ορίζοντας ως ημερομηνία κυκλοφορίας την 4η Οκτωβρίου 2019.<ref>{{Cite web |url=https://screenrant.com/joker-origin-movie-title-release-date-2019/ |title=Joker Origin Movie Title & Release Date Officially Revealed |last=Hood |first=Cooper |date=July 18, 2018 |website=[[Screen Rant]] |access-date=September 16, 2018 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20181019232134/https://screenrant.com/joker-origin-movie-title-release-date-2019/ |archive-date=October 19, 2018 |url-status=live }}</ref> Η Warner Bros. περιέγραψε την ταινία ως ''«εξερεύνηση ενός ανθρώπου που αγνοήθηκε από την κοινωνία ... δεν είναι μόνο μια σπουδαία μελέτη χαρακτήρα, αλλά και μια ευρύτερη "προειδοποιητική ιστορία"».''<ref name="DSdetails">{{Cite web |url=http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/feature/a860010/joker-joaquin-phoenix-release-date-plot-cast-trailer/ |title=Joaquin Phoenix's Joker film release date, plot, cast, trailer and everything you need to know |last=Ashurst |first=Sam |last2=Chapman |first2=Matt |date=April 3, 2019 |website=Digital Spy |access-date=April 9, 2019 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180917105158/http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/feature/a860010/joker-joaquin-phoenix-release-date-plot-cast-trailer/ |archive-date=September 17, 2018 |url-status=live }}</ref>
 
Scorsese'sΗ longtimeμακροχρόνια associateσυνεργάτιδα Koskoffτου joinedΣκορσέζε, toΈμμα produceΤίλινγκερ Κόσκοφ,<ref name="DLFall" /> <ref name="DoG: Everything">{{Cite web |url=https://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/60564/joker-release-date-cast-news |title=Joker trailer, release date, cast, news and more |date=April 3, 2019 |website=[[Den of Geek!]] |access-date=April 15, 2019 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190407060717/https://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/60564/joker-release-date-cast-news |archive-date=April 7, 2019 |url-status=live }}</ref> althoughεντάχθηκε Scorseseστη leftπαραγωγή, hisαν producingκαι dutiesο dueΣκορσέζε toεγκατέλειψε το πρότζεκτ λόγω otherάλλων obligationsυποχρεώσεων.<ref name="DLFall">{{Cite news |url=https://deadline.com/2018/07/joker-joaquin-phoenix-todd-phillips-1202424260/ |title=Todd Phillips' 'Joker' Movie Heading Into Production This Fall With Joaquin Phoenix |last=D'Alessandro |first=Anthony |date=July 10, 2018 |access-date=July 11, 2018 |website=[[Deadline Hollywood|Deadline]] |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180724032216/https://deadline.com/2018/07/joker-joaquin-phoenix-todd-phillips-1202424260/ |archive-date=July 24, 2018 |url-status=live }}</ref> ScorseseΟ consideredΣκορσέζε servingαναφέρεται asως anδιευθυντής executive producerπαραγωγός, butαλλά wasταυτόχρονα preoccupiedασχολούνταν withμε hisτην filmταινία του, ''[[The Irishman (2019 film)|The Irishman]]''.<ref name="LAT: Stakes" /> ItΕπιβεβαιώθηκε wasεπίσης, alsoότι confirmedη thatταινία theδεν filmθα wouldείχε haveκαμία noεπίδραση effectστον onJoker Leto'sτου JokerΤζάρεντ Λέτο.<ref>{{Cite web |url=https://variety.com/2018/film/news/joaquin-phoenix-joker-makeup-photo-1202952578/ |title=See Joaquin Phoenix in Joker Makeup |last=Yang |first=Rachel |date=September 21, 2018 |website=[[Variety (magazine)|Variety]] |access-date=September 21, 2018 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180921210508/https://variety.com/2018/film/news/joaquin-phoenix-joker-makeup-photo-1202952578/ |archive-date=September 21, 2018 |url-status=live }}</ref> andΤον would be the first in a new series of DC films unrelated to the DCEU.<ref name="DCStrategy" /> In JulyΙούλιο, [[Zazieη Beetz]]Ζαζί wasΜπιτζ cast inπήρε aτον supportingρόλο roleτης,<ref name="BeetzCast">{{Cite news |url=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/zazie-beetz-talks-join-joaquin-phoenix-joker-movie-1128365 |title='Joker' Movie: 'Deadpool 2' Actress Zazie Beetz in Talks to Join Joaquin Phoenix (Exclusive) |last=Kit |first=Borys |date=July 19, 2018 |access-date=July 21, 2018 |language=en |website=[[The Hollywood Reporter]] |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180720034621/https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/zazie-beetz-talks-join-joaquin-phoenix-joker-movie-1128365 |archive-date=July 20, 2018 |url-status=live }}</ref> andκαι Deο NiroΝτε enteredΝίρο negotiationsάρχισε inδιαπραγματεύσεις Augustτον Αύγουστο.<ref name="DeNiroCast">{{Cite news |url=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/robert-de-niro-talks-join-joaquin-phoenix-joker-movie-1127469 |title=Robert De Niro in Talks to Join Joaquin Phoenix in Joker Movie (Exclusive) |last=Kit |first=Borys |date=July 23, 2018 |work=[[The Hollywood Reporter]] |access-date=July 24, 2018 |language=en |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180723231849/https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/robert-de-niro-talks-join-joaquin-phoenix-joker-movie-1127469 |archive-date=July 23, 2018 |url-status=live }}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |url=https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2018/07/robert-de-niro-and-frances-conroy-join-dcs-joker-origin-film/ |title=Robert De Niro and Frances Conroy join DC's Joker origin film |date=July 24, 2018 |publisher=flickeringmyth |access-date=July 26, 2018 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180725112034/https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2018/07/robert-de-niro-and-frances-conroy-join-dcs-joker-origin-film/ |archive-date=July 25, 2018 |url-status=live }}</ref> Η [[FrancesΦράνσις McDormandΜακΝτόρμαντ]] declinedαπέρριψε anνα offerαπεικονίσει toτη portrayμητέρα theτου motherΤζόκερ, ofκαι theέτσι Joker,προσλήφθηκε andη [[FrancesΦράνσις Conroy]] was castΚόνροϊ.<ref>{{Cite news |url=http://comicbook.com/dc/2018/07/14/frances-mcdormand-turns-down-joker-origin-movie/ |title=Frances McDormand Turns Down Role in Joker Origin Movie |last=Mueller |first=Matthew |date=July 13, 2018 |access-date=July 21, 2018 |language=en |website=ComicBook.com |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180726050439/http://comicbook.com/dc/2018/07/14/frances-mcdormand-turns-down-joker-origin-movie/ |archive-date=July 26, 2018 |url-status=live }}</ref><ref name="ConroyTalks">{{Cite news |url=https://www.thewrap.com/frances-conroy-joaquin-phoenix-mom-joker/ |title='Joker': Frances Conroy in Talks to Play Mom to Joaquin Phoenix's Joker in 'Batman' Spinoff (Exclusive) |last=Gonzalez |first=Umberto |date=July 24, 2018 |access-date=July 24, 2018 |last2=Verhoeven |first2=Beatrice |website=[[TheWrap]] |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180724015342/https://www.thewrap.com/frances-conroy-joaquin-phoenix-mom-joker/ |archive-date=July 24, 2018 |url-status=live }}</ref> AtΣτα theτέλη end of JulyΙουλίου, Marcο Maron,Μαρκ who had recently finished filming the third season of the [[web television]] series ''[[GLOW (TV series)|GLOW]]'',Μάρον<ref name="NME: Maron">{{Cite web |url=https://www.nme.com/news/film/marc-maron-tells-us-working-joaquin-phoenixs-upcoming-joker-origin-movie-2466904 |title=Marc Maron tells us about working on Joaquin Phoenix's upcoming 'Joker' origin movie |last=Trendell |first=Andrew |date=March 26, 2019 |website=[[NME]] |access-date=April 1, 2019 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190403161437/https://www.nme.com/news/film/marc-maron-tells-us-working-joaquin-phoenixs-upcoming-joker-origin-movie-2466904 |archive-date=April 3, 2019 |url-status=live }}</ref> andκαι Bryanο CallenΜπράιαν joinedΚάλεν theεντάχθηκαν castστο καστ.<ref name="MaronCast">{{Cite news |url=https://variety.com/2018/film/news/joaquin-phoenix-joker-movie-marc-maron-1202890764/ |title=Joaquin Phoenix's Joker Movie Eyes 'Glow' Star Marc Maron (EXCLUSIVE) |last=Kroll |first=Justin |date=July 31, 2018 |access-date=July 31, 2018 |website=[[Variety (magazine)|Variety]] |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180731174958/https://variety.com/2018/film/news/joaquin-phoenix-joker-movie-marc-maron-1202890764/ |archive-date=July 31, 2018 |url-status=live }}</ref><ref name="CallenCast">{{Cite news |url=http://comicbook.com/dc/2018/07/31/joker-origin-movie-cast-bryan-callen-todd-phillips/ |title=Bryan Callen Cast in 'Joker' Origin Movie |last=Anderson |first=Jenna |date=July 31, 2018 |access-date=August 1, 2018 |language=en |website=ComicBook.com |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180731222746/http://comicbook.com/dc/2018/07/31/joker-origin-movie-cast-bryan-callen-todd-phillips/ |archive-date=July 31, 2018 |url-status=live }}</ref> AlecΟ Baldwin[[Άλεκ wasΜπάλντουιν]] castορίστηκε asνα παίξει τον Thomas Wayne on Augustστις 27 Αυγούστου, butαλλά droppedεγκατέλειψε outδύο twoμέρες daysαργότερα later due toεξαιτίας schedulingπροβλήματος conflictsπρογραμματισμού.<ref name="baldwinout">{{Cite web |url=https://variety.com/2018/film/news/alec-baldwin-exits-joker-movie-1202920903/ |title=Alec Baldwin Drops Out of 'Joker' Movie |last=Stedman |first=Alex |date=August 29, 2018 |website=[[Variety (magazine)|Variety]] |access-date=September 17, 2018 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180917165517/https://variety.com/2018/film/news/alec-baldwin-exits-joker-movie-1202920903/ |archive-date=September 17, 2018 |url-status=live }}</ref>
 
=== FilmingΓυρίσματα ===
[[Αρχείο:R32 C at 34 Street Penn Station with 0 train rollsign from Joker filming, March 2019.jpg|thumb|upright=0.95|AΈνα [[Newτρένο York City Subway]]στο [[CΜετρό (NewΝέας YorkΥόρκης|μετρό Cityτης SubwayΝέας service)|CΥόρκης]] trainμε withτις aταμπέλες [[rollsign]]του forφανταστικού the''0 fictionalτρένου'' 0που trainαπέμειναν leftαπ' overτα fromγυρίσματα filming forτου ''Joker''|alt=A corrugated silver metal subway train sits with its doors open in a station. Its rollsign reads "0 Local / To Old Gotham all times / Downtown & Tricorner".|αριστερά|240x240εσ]]
 
[[Principal photography]] commenced in September 2018 in [[New York City]],{{efn|While the filming start date was scheduled for September 10,<ref name="BaldwinCast">{{Cite news |url=https://deadline.com/2018/08/joker-movie-todd-phillips-alec-baldwin-thomas-wayne-batman-father-1202452962/ |title=Alec Baldwin Joins Todd Phillips' 'Joker' |last=D'Alessandro |first=Anthony |date=August 27, 2018 |access-date=August 28, 2018 |website=[[Deadline Hollywood|Deadline]] |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180827233522/https://deadline.com/2018/08/joker-movie-todd-phillips-alec-baldwin-thomas-wayne-batman-father-1202452962/ |archive-date=August 27, 2018 |url-status=live }}</ref> Phillips suggested in an [[Instagram]] post that production began on September 2.<ref>{{Cite web |url=https://comicbook.com/dc/2018/09/02/the-joker-director-todd-phillips-production-begins-photo/ |title='Joker' Director Todd Phillips Teases Production With New Photo |last=Drum |first=Nicole |date=September 2, 2018 |website=ComicBook.com |access-date=September 18, 2018 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180919025058/https://comicbook.com/dc/2018/09/02/the-joker-director-todd-phillips-production-begins-photo/ |archive-date=September 19, 2018 |url-status=live }}</ref>}} under the [[working title]] ''Romeo''.<ref name="NJ.comFilming">{{Cite web |url=https://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2018/09/joker_film_about_batman_nemesis_to_film_in_nj.html |title='Joker,' Joaquin Phoenix film about Batman nemesis, to film in N.J. locations |last=MacDonald |first=Terrence T. |date=September 21, 2018 |website=NJ.com |access-date=September 21, 2018 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180922001630/https://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2018/09/joker_film_about_batman_nemesis_to_film_in_nj.html |archive-date=September 22, 2018 |url-status=live }}</ref> Shortly after filming began, De Niro, Brett Cullen, Shea Whigham, Glenn Fleshler, Bill Camp, Josh Pais, and Douglas Hodge were announced to have joined the film, with Cullen replacing Baldwin.<ref name="Cullen">{{Cite web |url=http://collider.com/joker-movie-thomas-wayne-actor-brett-cullen/ |title=Brett Cullen Replaces Alec Baldwin as Thomas Wayne in 'Joker' |last=Chitwood |first=Adam |date=September 17, 2018 |website=[[Collider (website)|Collider]] |access-date=September 17, 2018 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180918012118/http://collider.com/joker-movie-thomas-wayne-actor-brett-cullen/ |archive-date=September 18, 2018 |url-status=live }}</ref><ref name="underway">{{Cite web |url=https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180917005663/en/Production-Underway-Warner-Bros.-Pictures |title=Production is Underway on Warner Bros. Pictures' "Joker" |date=September 17, 2018 |website=[[Business Wire]] |access-date=September 18, 2018 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180918054355/https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180917005663/en/Production-Underway-Warner-Bros.-Pictures |archive-date=September 18, 2018 |url-status=live }}</ref> [[Bradley Cooper]] joined the film as a producer,<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://collider.com/joker-movie-cast/#images |title=Full 'Joker' Cast List Reveals Shea Whigham, Glenn Fleshler, and More |date=September 17, 2018 |website=[[Collider (website)|Collider]] |access-date=September 17, 2018 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180918032854/http://collider.com/joker-movie-cast/#images |archive-date=September 18, 2018 |url-status=live }}</ref> and the director of photography was [[Lawrence Sher]], both of whom Phillips had previously collaborated with.<ref name="underway" /> On September 22, a scene depicting a violent protest filmed at the [[Church Avenue station (IND Culver Line)|Church Avenue station]] in [[Kensington, Brooklyn]],<ref>{{Cite news|url=https://gothamist.com/arts-entertainment/joker-movie-extras-reportedly-reduced-to-peeing-on-subway-tracks-during-shoot|title=Joker Movie Extras Reportedly Reduced To Peeing On Subway Tracks During Shoot|date=October 10, 2018|access-date=October 9, 2019|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20191009145325/https://gothamist.com/arts-entertainment/joker-movie-extras-reportedly-reduced-to-peeing-on-subway-tracks-during-shoot|archive-date=October 9, 2019|website=[[Gothamist]]}}</ref> although the station was modified to look like the [[Bedford Park Boulevard station]] in [[the Bronx]].<ref>{{Cite news|url=http://www.tmz.com/2018/09/22/joaquin-phoenix-the-joker-in-action-filming/|title=Joaquin Phoenix All Smiles as The Joker in Action|date=September 22, 2018|access-date=October 1, 2018|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20181001113445/http://www.tmz.com/2018/09/22/joaquin-phoenix-the-joker-in-action-filming/|archive-date=October 1, 2018|website=[[TMZ]]}}</ref> Filming of violent scenes also took place at the abandoned lower platform of the [[Ninth Avenue station]] in [[Sunset Park, Brooklyn]].<ref>{{Cite news|url=https://theweek.com/articles/869209/star-joker-new-york-gotham-city|title=The Star Of Joker Is New York As Gotham City|date=October 3, 2019|access-date=October 9, 2019|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20191009150820/https://theweek.com/articles/869209/star-joker-new-york-gotham-city%20%7Ctitle=The%20Star%20Of%20Joker%20Is%20New%20York%20As%20Gotham%20City|archive-date=October 9, 2019|website=[[Gothamist]]}}</ref>
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