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Ο Αντίπατρος δεν αναφέρεται στο λήμμα, αλλαγή αναφοράς σε "έγινε". [[Χρήστης:Wolfymoza|Wolfymoza]] ([[Συζήτηση χρήστη:Wolfymoza|συζήτηση]]) 10:31, 23 Ιουνίου 2017 (UTC)
 
== Προσφερόμενες πηγές που σχετίζονται με τηντo ελληνικότητααρχαίο βασίλειο της Μακεδονίας ==
 
''BEFORE [[w:Philip II of Macedon|PHILIP II]] & [[w:Alexander the Great|ALEXANDER THE GREAT]]''
 
'''[[w:Homer|Homer]]''' (Between 800 BC and 700 BC)
 
1. [[w:Odyssey|Odyssey]], Book 7. Line 106]]: "ἥμεναι, οἷά τε φύλλα '''μακεδνῆς''' αἰγείροιο"[http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0135%3Abook%3D7%3Acard%3D77]
 
'''[[w:Hesiod|Hesiod]]''' (Between 750 BC and 650 BC)
 
2. [[w:Catalogue of Women|Catalogue of Women - Ehoiai]], Fragment 3, "MAGNES AND MACEDON"]]: "And she [[w:Thyia|(Thyia)]] conceived and bare to [[w:Zeus|Zeus]] who delights in the thunderbolt two sons, Magnes and [[w:Makedon (mythology)|Macedon]], rejoicing in horses, who dwell round about Pieria and [[w:Mount Olympus|Olympus]]..."[http://www.theoi.com/Text/HesiodCatalogues.html]
 
'''[[w:Thucydides|Thucydides]]''' (c. 460 BC – c. 400 BC)
 
3. [[w:History of the Peloponnesian War|History of the Peloponnesian War]], Book 2, Chapter 99]]: "The country on the sea coast, now called '''Macedonia''', was first acquired by '''Alexander, the father of Perdiccas''', and his ancestors, '''originally Temenids from Argos'''. This was effected by the expulsion '''from Pieria''' of the Pierians, who afterwards inhabited Phagres and other places '''under Mount Pangaeus, beyond the Strymon'''; of the Bottiaeans, at present neighbours of the Chalcidians, from Bottia, and by the acquisition in Paeonia of a narrow strip along the river Axius extending '''to Pella''' and the sea"[https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/History_of_the_Peloponnesian_War/Book_2][http://www.greek-language.gr/digitalResources/ancient_greek/library/browse.html?text_id=73&page=81][[User:Dragao2004|Dragao2004]] ([[User talk:Dragao2004|talk]]) 22:50, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 
'''[[w:Herodotus|Herodotus]]''' (c. 484 BC – c. 425 BC)
 
4. [[w:Histories (Herodotus)|The Histories]], Book 1, Chapter 56, Lines 7 - 15]]: "These races, '''[[w:Ionians|Ionian]]''' and '''[[w:Dorians|Dorian]]''', were the foremost in ancient time, ''the first (Ionians) a Pelasgian'' and ''the second (Dorians) a '''Hellenic''' people''. The Pelasgian race has never yet left its home; the '''Hellenic (Dorians) has wandered''' often and far. For '''in the days of king Deucalion it inhabited the land of Phthia''', then the country called Histiaean, under Ossa and Olympus, '''in the time of [[w:Dorus|Dorus]] son of Hellen'''; driven from this Histiaean country by the Cadmeans, '''it (the Hellenic people) settled about Pindus in the territory called Macedonian'''; from there again it migrated to Dryopia, and at last came from Dryopia into the Peloponnese, where it (Hellenic people) took the name of '''Dorian'''"[http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Hdt.+1.56.&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0126]
 
5. [[w:Histories (Herodotus)|The Histories]], Book 8, Chapter 43, Lines 3 - 6]]: "...the Sicyonians furnished fifteen ships, the Epidaurians ten, the Troezenians five, the Hermioneans three. All of these except the Hermioneans '''are Dorian and Macedonian''' and had last come from Erineus and Pindus and the Dryopian region..."[http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Hdt.+8.43&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0126]
 
6. [[w:Histories (Herodotus)|The Histories]], Speech of [[w:Alexander I of Macedon|Alexander I]], Book 9, Chapter 45, Section 2, Lines 1 - 2]]: "I myself am by ancient descent a '''Greek''', and I would not willingly see '''Hellas''' change her freedom for slavery" [http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0126%3Abook%3D9%3Achapter%3D45%3Asection%3D2]
 
7. [[w:Histories (Herodotus)|The Histories]], Book 5, Chapter 22, Section 1]]: "Now that these descendants of [[w:Perdiccas I of Macedon|Perdiccas]] are '''Greeks''', as they themselves say, I myself chance to know and will prove it in the later part of my history. Furthermore, the [[w:Hellanodikai|Hellenodicae]] who manage the contest at [[w:Ancient Olympic Games|Olympia]] determined that it is so"[http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0126%3Abook%3D5%3Achapter%3D22%3Asection%3D1][[Χρήστης:Dragao2004|Dragao2004]] ([[Συζήτηση χρήστη:Dragao2004|συζήτηση]]) 15:49, 22 Οκτωβρίου 2018 (UTC)
 
''GEOGRAPHERS'':
Γραμμή 50:
* '' [[w:Strabo|Strabo]], "Geography", VII, Frg. 9, Loeb''.
 
9. " The [[w:Aegean sea|Aegean sea]] washes '''Greece''' on two sides: first, the side that faces towards the east and stretches from [[w:Sunium|Sunium]], '''towards the north as far as the [[w:Thermaean Gulf|Thermaean Gulf]] and [[w:Thessaloniki|Thessaloniceia]]...'''"
* '' [[w:Strabo|Strabo]], "Geography", 7.7.4-5''.[[User:Dragao2004|Dragao2004]] ([[User talk:Dragao2004|talk]]) 16:14, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 
''HISTORIANS'':
 
10. [[w:Arrian|Arrian]], [[The Anabasis of Alexander]]|The Anabasis of Alexander, Book 1, Chapter 18, Section 6]]: "[[w:Parmenion|Parmenion]] advised '''[[w:Alexander the Great|Alexander]]''' to make a naval battle with the Persians immediately. He hoped the '''Greeks''' would defeat the Persian fleet because he was persuaded by something divine he saw. An eagle sitting on the beach to the sterns of '''[[w:Alexander the Great|Alexander's]]''' ships"[http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Arr.+An.+1.18.6&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2008.01.0530]
 
11. [[w:Plutarch|Plutarch]], [[w:Moralia|Moralia]], Chapter 1, Section 10]]: "...the blessings of '''Greek justice and peace over every nation''', I should not be content to sit quietly in the luxury of idle power, but I should emulate the frugality of Diogenes. But as things are, forgive me, Diogenes, that I imitate Heracles, and emulate Perseus, and follow in the footsteps of Dionysus,8the divine author and progenitor of my family and desire that '''victorious Greeks should dance again in India''' and revive the memory of the Bacchic revels among the savage mountain tribes beyond the Caucasus. Even there it is said that there are certain holy men, a law unto themselves, who follow a rigid gymnosophy10 and give all their time to God"[http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2008.01.0231%3Achapter%3D1%3Asection%3D10][[User:Dragao2004|Dragao2004]] ([[User talk:Dragao2004|talk]]) 22:50, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 
12. [[w:Plutarch|Plutarch]], [[w:Parallel Lives|Parallel Lives, Alexander]], Chapter 37, Section 4]]: "And it is said that when he took his seat for the first time under the golden canopy on the royal throne, [[w:Demaratus (hetairos)|Demaratus the Corinthian]], a well-meaning man and a friend of '''[[w:Alexander the Great|Alexander's]]''', as he had been of '''[[w:Alexander the Great|Alexander's]]''' father, burst into tears, as old men will, and declared that those '''[[w:Ancient Greece|Hellenes]]''' were deprived of great pleasure who had died before seeing '''[[w:Alexander the Great|Alexander]] seated on the throne of [[w:Darius III|Dareius]]'''"[http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0243%3Achapter%3D37%3Asection%3D4]
 
13. [[w:Plutarch|Plutarch]], [[w:Parallel Lives|Parallel Lives, Alexander]], Chapter 17, Section 2]]: "Now, there is in Lycia, near the city of Xanthus, a spring, which at this time, as we are told, was of its own motion upheaved from its depths, and overflowed, and cast forth a bronze tablet bearing the prints of ancient letters, in which it was made known that the empire of the Persians would one day be destroyed by the '''Greeks''' and come to an end"[http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0243%3Achapter%3D17%3Asection%3D2]
 
14. [[w:Arrian|Arrian]], [[w:The Anabasis of Alexander]], Book 1, Chapter 12, Section 4, Line 3]]: "There is no other man amongst the '''Greeks''' or the barbarians who has shown so many or so great achievements than '''[[w:Alexander the Great|Alexander]]'''"[http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2008.01.0530%3Abook%3D1%3Achapter%3D12%3Asection%3D4]
 
15. [[w:Arrian|Arrian]], [[w:The Anabasis of Alexander]], Book 1, Chapter 16, Section 7]]: "'''[[w:Alexander the Great|Alexander]]''', the son of '''[[w:Philip II of Macedon|Philip]]''', and the '''Hellenes''', except the [[w:Laconia|Lacedaemonians]], devote these [[w:Panoply|panopies]], from the spoils of the barbarians inhabiting Asia"[http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Arr.+An.+1.16.7&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2008.01.0530]
 
16. [[w:Arrian|Arrian]], [[w:The Anabasis of Alexander]], Book 7, Chapter 16, Section 1]]: "After that, '''[[w:Alexander the Great|Alexander]]''' sent Heraclides the son of Argaeus to [[w:Hyrcania|Hyrcania]] and ordered him to cut woods from the mountains and built warships according to the '''Greek''' shipbuilding"[http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2008.01.0530%3Abook%3D7%3Achapter%3D16%3Asection%3D1]
 
17. [[w:Arrian|Arrian]], [[w:The Anabasis of Alexander]], Book 2, Chapter 14, Section 4, Lines 3 - 4]], ''[[w:Alexander the Great|Alexander's]] Letter to [[w:Darius III|Darius III]]'': "Your ancestors invaded '''Macedonia and the rest of Greece'''..."[http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2008.01.0530%3Abook%3D2%3Achapter%3D14%3Asection%3D4], [http://www.livius.org/sources/content/arrian/anabasis/alexanders-letter-to-darius-iii/]
 
18. [[w:Polybius|Polybius]], [[w:The Histories (Polybius)|Histories]], Book 7, Chapter 9, Section 3]]: "in the presence of all Gods who possess '''Macedonia and the rest of Greece''' in the presence of all the gods of the army who preside over this oath"[http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Polybius/7*.html]
 
19. [[w:Arrian|Arrian]], [[w:The Anabasis of Alexander]], Book 4, Chapter 11, Section 7]]: "οὔκουν οὐδὲ αὐτῷ τῷ Ἡρακλεῖ ζῶντι ἔτι θεῖαι τιμαὶ παρ᾽ '''Ἑλλήνων''' ἐγένοντο, ἀλλ᾽ οὐδὲ τελευτήσαντι πρόσθεν ἤ πρὸς τοῦ θεοῦ τοῦ ἐν Δελφοῖς ἐπιθεσπισθῆναι ὡς θεὸν τιμᾶν Ἡρακλέα. εἰ δέ, ὅτι ἐν τῇ βαρβάρῳ γῇ οἱ λόγοι γίγνονται, βαρβαρικὰ χρὴ ἔχειν τὰ φρονήματα, καὶ '''ἐγὼ τῆς Ἑλλάδος μεμνῆσθαί σε ἀξιῶ, ὦ Αλέξανδρε''', ἧς ἕνεκα ὁ πᾶς στόλος σοι ἐγένετο, '''προσθεῖναι τὴν Ἀσίαν τῇ Ἑλλάδι'''[http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2008.01.0530%3Abook%3D4%3Achapter%3D11%3Asection%3D7][[w:User:Dragao2004|Dragao2004]] ([[w:User talk:Dragao2004|talk]]) 15:43, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 
''THE HOLY BIBLE'':
Γραμμή 87:
''THE VATICAN'':
 
22. [[w:Pope John Paul II|Pope John Paul II]] of the [[w:Vatican City|Vatican]] in an interview he gave on the 21st June 1992 to the journalist Mrs Pinni for the Greek [[Centre-left politics]] newspaper KYRIAKATIKI ELEFTHEROTYPIA: «Macedonia is the country of [[Philip II of Macedon|Philip]], of [[w:Alexander the Great|Alexander]], of [[w:Saints Cyril and Methodius|Methodius and Cyril]] and '''Macedonia is Greek'''»
 
''MODERN SOURCES'':
Γραμμή 114:
''SLAVIC SOURCES'':
 
30. "'''We are [[w:Slavs|Slavs]]''', we came to this area in the sixth century (AD), '''we have no connection with [[w:Alexander the Great|Alexander the Great]]'''"
[[w:Kiro Gligorov|Kiro Gligorov]], [[w:Tirana|Tirana, Albania]], 03.06.1992.
 
31. "From a historical point of view the term Macedonia had no clear ethnic meaning (it is because of thousands of years of mixing of various tribes and peoples), although it is clear that '''in ancient times Macedonia was considered a Greek state and Macedonians [were] Greeks living in Macedonia...'''".
Επιστροφή στη σελίδα "Μακεδονία (αρχαίο βασίλειο)".